Accreditation/State Authorization

[John Bear]

Torry has only posted three times since his <<I will never post again>> promise.
I am starting to wonder if he is (also) Steve Levicoff.

John Bear, who danced in a kilt once*
but never a dress. The XXL Cocktail Dress
Company that J. Edgar told me about closed
before I could get their catalog.

_______
* Interviewer: Is anything worn under the kilt?
Sean Connery: No, it is all in good working condition.

[John Bear]

What I do not understand in this Torry/Byran business is what actually happened that set us all off. Even accepting that Byran and Torry are two entirely separate human beings who happen to share the same computer, what actual circumstance leads to Torry logging in and Byran writing the message? I would be interested in understanding the scenario. Thanks.

[Torry]

Originally posted by John Bear:
What I do not understand in this Torry/Byran business is what actually happened that set us all off. Even accepting that Byran and Torry are two entirely separate human beings who happen to share the same computer, what actual circumstance leads to Torry logging in and Byran writing the message? I would be interested in understanding the scenario. Thanks.

Don't play this game with me. I ain't going to explain it all when I know you know what happened, as I'm confident enough that you've read the first post to the last.

My buddy said he won't post, not me.

Torry

[Dan Snelson]

Originally posted by John Bear:
What I do not understand in this Torry/Byran business is what actually happened that set us all off. Even accepting that Byran and Torry are two entirely separate human beings who happen to share the same computer, what actual circumstance leads to Torry logging in and Byran writing the message? I would be interested in understanding the scenario. Thanks.

Dr Bear I think it is the COOKIE MONSTER

Dan

Originally posted by qjackson:
I had considered starting to participate here, but decided against it after Dr. Bear's insinuation that I am Byran and Rich Douglas' assumption (by the use of Quinn/Byran/Torry in a single address).

Quinn/Torry/Byran/Goldblatt/Factwatcher???

Its all too convenient for coincidence!

Russell

[Bill Highsmith]

Originally posted by Torry:
Don't play this game with me. I ain't going to explain it all when I know you know what happened, as I'm confident enough that you've read the first post to the last.

My buddy said he won't post, not me.

Torry

Why do you need a personal ISP at work (for the workstation that you share)? Why do you need two personal ISPs?

[Bruce]

Originally posted by John Bear:
what actual circumstance leads to Torry logging in and Byran writing the message? I would be interested in understanding the scenario.

The story is that both Torry and Byran use the same computer workstation at their place of employment. Apparently both use Internet Explorer to access their ISP's, even though they have different accounts. A quirk of IE is that it saves your "identity" (username & password) even after you log-off.

So, the story is that Byran used the computer after Torry, and didn't notice that Torry's name & password were already loaded for this forum, and he posted under Torry's identity.

As I said before, something similar happened to me with Amazon when I recently placed an order. My wife had ordered through them a few days earlier, so her information was already saved on our computer (even though she uses a totally different ISP). I ordered about $200 worth of books, and it got billed to her credit card. She also wondered why a very heavy box came addressed to her, filled with military history books. So, it's not an impossibility.


Bruce

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[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by Torry:


1)Call up, or email Century University and check your assertion that bryan lee is a student there.

I didn't say this. I simply asserted that you and Bryan might the same person. This stems from you logging in as you but signing as Bryan. You did that, not me. Your behavior reflected in this post does not seem to alter that notion.

You're the one who said you were enrolled in Century. Bryan said he was not.

There is a catch though. Unless you're going to post an apology here to me, and to byron especially, in front of all board memebers, don't bother.

Uh huh.

6)You have 2 weeks to arrange for all this.

7)If you need more time, let me know.

Oh, yeah. Lots. Let's drop this while I take more time. Say, 50 or 60 years. That ought to do it.

8)I don't think Mr. Tyler should be involved and I'm sorry that he was dragged into this.

I didn't bring "him" into this, you did (as Bryan? Bryon? Who can keep up?).

10)Go at it. Otherwise don't say another word about it.

I just did.

Torry

I have to give "Torry" credit for one thing: he's more persistent than most who tout Century. But it is clear to me that these people are just one person who has decided to play a silly game. Notice that "Torry" still hasn't identified himself.

Rich Douglas

[Bruce]

Originally posted by qjackson:
What discourages me from posting is that certain members have diplomatic immunity, and can accuse whomever they please of dual identity and shilling.

I think that is a very unfair statement. I know you've agreed it is uncalled for, but allow me to explain exactly why it is unfair.

Those of us who are moderators and administrators take our responsibilities very seriously, and we've made a conscious effort to avoid playing favorites with anyone. More than one regular (including some who you probably have on your immunity list) has received a friendly e-mail reminder when they have crossed the line, and that's all that's been necessary.

So anyway, leave if that's what you want to do. I hate to see anyone leave, especially someone who I know could be a valuable contributor, as you demonstrated in the "before" version of a.e.d., but certainly no one is going to stop you.


Bruce

[Gus Sainz]

Originally posted by Jimmy Clifton:
<snip>The primary question on the minds of psychiatrists is whether it is permissible, in such cases, to send a separate bill to each identity.<snip>

Actually there are documented cases of psychiatrists billing BOTH personalities and being convicted of fraud.

Let me guess, they were all from accredited schools, right?

Gus Sainz

[Torry]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
[b] I have to give "Torry" credit for one thing: he's more persistent than most who tout Century. But it is clear to me that these people are just one person who has decided to play a silly game. Notice that "Torry" still hasn't identified himself.

Rich Douglas

How convenient Mr. Douglas. What exactly do you identify yourself as?

And what exactly have others identified themselves as?

What information has the other posters given about themselves? Marry? Single? Age? Work? Straight/Gay? Phone#? Job? Schools they've graduated from? Mother's maiden name?

You're accusing me as a "ghost." I've given you the options to pursue the truth. You chose not to do anything. Sure, don't bother. Not doing so is likely to reduce your internal conflicts.

"well, I don't have time to play this silly game, or that there's more things to do in life...whatever"

Well pal, I had the balls to suggest the options, but you don't have the balls to play along. I have indicated to you that I'm very liberal about giving certain information to you, in your quest to finding the truth. You have chosen not to do nothing bout it. And the old saying goes "if you can't take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen."

Case close (in the matter of Torry Vs. Meow Meow)

Torry

[John Bear]

John Bear asked an honest question.

Bruce provided a thoughtful and useful and helpful explanation.

Torry wrote an angry and unkind and useless reply: Don't play this game with me. I ain't going to explain it all when I know you know what happened...

And there we have the two extremes, of what can be good and bad in a forum.

Torry wrote, My buddy said he won't post, not me.

True. Sorry about that. Wishful thinking on my part.

Some months ago, I wrote that Century should thank its lucky stars that they had someone as intelligent and articulate as Neil Hynd rising to their defense. My feeling now is that the abrasive and abusive Torry has undone all the good that Neil did on behalf of Century.

[Gus Sainz]

Originally posted by John Bear:
What I do not understand in this Torry/Byran business is what actually happened that set us all off. Even accepting that Byran and Torry are two entirely separate human beings who happen to share the same computer, what actual circumstance leads to Torry logging in and Byran writing the message? I would be interested in understanding the scenario. Thanks.

Try I as might, I cannot duplicate such an inane scenario as Byran describes on degreeinfo.com, although I have duplicated Bruce’s scenario on amazon.com., bn.com, and other e-commerce venues that are based on cookies. Using MS IE 5.5, I clicked on Tools, Internet Options, Content (Tab) , AutoComplete, and enabled Use AutoComplete for: Web addresses, Forms, and User names and passwords on forms and additionally selected the option to Prompt me to save passwords. Unquestionably, when posting a message, MS IE automatically fills in password field, because I selected it to Prompt me to save passwords, but who in their right mind would select such an option on a shared computer? I am the only one with access to my computer, and yet I would never enable such an absurdity. I cannot picture anyone being so lax in a work environment. Moreover, MS Internet Explorer would only fill in the password field with the correct password if and only if one first started to type and subsequently selected the appropriate corresponding name to “AutoComplete” the name field. MS Internet Explorer does not automatically fill in the name field.

Unless Byran started to fill in the name field with “Tor…, MS Internet Explorer would not “AutoComplete” the field. And, unless “Torry” and “Byran” share identical passwords (the odds of that occurring without collusion boggles the mind), it is virtually impossible to attribute such an error to MS Internet Explorer. The only other possible scenario is, of course, that Torry logged on, posted a message, and then never logged off (closed Ms Internet Explorer). Then Byran (I always thought it was a typo and should have been Bryan, but that’s just me) took over the computer and posted a message of his own (in this scenario, degreeinfo.com would’ve logged his user name and password as “Torry”. Of course, if Byran’s post originated from a different IP as he claims, this excuse is null and void. This is the only scenario (aside from the one that one individual was posting under multiple identities) that could possible explain what happened, but it has not been offered by anyone.

It is also interesting to note that, his history of making posts opposing unaccredited schools notwithstanding, Byran was the originator of a thread entitled Century University, further corroborating the mountain of circumstantial evidence that this poster is playing the role of an agent provocateur. And although I agree completely with Bill Dayson’s assessment of the situation, I disagree with him that the TOS should be suspended just because we like someone, or agree with their posts. Until now, we do not have a mea culpa, and as is frequently the case, the cover up is worse than the crime.

The solution is simple. Both “Torry” and “Byran” should email the administrators their work telephone number (it should be the same). The administrators can then easily verify the identities of these two individuals and if they share a “workstation”. Any violation of TOS should be dealt with as it has before.

Gus Sainz

P.S. I deal extensively with non-native speakers of the English language. “Torry’s” errors in spelling, grammar, and syntax, however voluminous, are not consistent. They appear to be the work of someone that is trying to appear ignorant, rather than the sincere labor of one who is putting forth his or her best efforts.

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[Torry]

Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
Try I as might, I cannot duplicate such an inane scenario as Byran describes on degreeinfo.com, although I have duplicated Bruce’s scenario on amazon.com., bn.com, and other e-commerce venues that are based on cookies. Using MS IE 5.5, I clicked on Tools, Internet Options, Content (Tab) , AutoComplete, and enabled Use AutoComplete for: Web addresses, Forms, and User names and passwords on forms and additionally selected the option to Prompt me to save passwords. Unquestionably, when posting a message, MS IE automatically fills in password field, because I selected it to Prompt me to save passwords, but who in their right mind would select such an option on a shared computer? I am the only one with access to my computer, and yet I would never enable such an absurdity. I cannot picture anyone being so lax in a work environment. Moreover, MS Internet Explorer would only fill in the password field with the correct password if and only if one first started to type and subsequently selected the appropriate corresponding name to “AutoComplete” the name field. MS Internet Explorer does not automatically fill in the name field.

Unless Byran started to fill in the name field with “Tor…, MS Internet Explorer would not “AutoComplete” the field. And, unless “Torry” and “Byran” share identical passwords (the odds of that occurring without collusion boggles the mind), it is virtually impossible to attribute such an error to MS Internet Explorer. The only other possible scenario is, of course, that Torry logged on, posted a message, and then never logged off (closed Ms Internet Explorer). Then Byran (I always thought it was a typo and should have been Bryan, but that’s just me) took over the computer and posted a message of his own (in this scenario, degreeinfo.com would’ve logged his user name and password as “Torry”. Of course, if Byran’s post originated from a different IP as he claims, this excuse is null and void. This is the only scenario (aside from the one that one individual was posting under multiple identities) that could possible explain what happened, but it has not been offered by anyone.

It is also interesting to note that, his history of making posts opposing unaccredited schools notwithstanding, Byran was the originator of a thread entitled Century University, further corroborating the mountain of circumstantial evidence that this poster is playing the role of an agent provocateur. And although I agree completely with Bill Dayson’s assessment of the situation, I disagree with him that the TOS should be suspended just because we like someone, or agree with their posts. Until now, we do not have a mea culpa, and as is frequently the case, the cover up is worse than the crime.

The solution is simple. Both “Torry” and “Byran” should email the administrators their work telephone number (it should be the same). The administrators can then easily verify the identities of these two individuals and if they share a “workstation”. Any violation of TOS should be dealt with as it has before.

Gus Sainz

P.S. I deal extensively with non-native speakers of the English language. “Torry’s” errors in spelling, grammar, and syntax, however voluminous, are not consistent. They appear to be the work of someone that is trying to appear ignorant, rather than the sincere labor of one who is putting forth his or her best efforts.

Sure Gus. Why don't you email me your telephone number at tchemanius@hotmail.com
I'll call you, and we'll find a way to solve this "mess."

Torry

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[Torry]

Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
Try I as might, I cannot duplicate such an inane scenario as Byran describes on degreeinfo.com, although I have duplicated Bruce’s scenario on amazon.com., bn.com, and other e-commerce venues that are based on cookies. Using MS IE 5.5, I clicked on Tools, Internet Options, Content (Tab) , AutoComplete, and enabled Use AutoComplete for: Web addresses, Forms, and User names and passwords on forms and additionally selected the option to Prompt me to save passwords. Unquestionably, when posting a message, MS IE automatically fills in password field, because I selected it to Prompt me to save passwords, but who in their right mind would select such an option on a shared computer? I am the only one with access to my computer, and yet I would never enable such an absurdity. I cannot picture anyone being so lax in a work environment. Moreover, MS Internet Explorer would only fill in the password field with the correct password if and only if one first started to type and subsequently selected the appropriate corresponding name to “AutoComplete” the name field. MS Internet Explorer does not automatically fill in the name field.

Unless Byran started to fill in the name field with “Tor…, MS Internet Explorer would not “AutoComplete” the field. And, unless “Torry” and “Byran” share identical passwords (the odds of that occurring without collusion boggles the mind), it is virtually impossible to attribute such an error to MS Internet Explorer. The only other possible scenario is, of course, that Torry logged on, posted a message, and then never logged off (closed Ms Internet Explorer). Then Byran (I always thought it was a typo and should have been Bryan, but that’s just me) took over the computer and posted a message of his own (in this scenario, degreeinfo.com would’ve logged his user name and password as “Torry”. Of course, if Byran’s post originated from a different IP as he claims, this excuse is null and void. This is the only scenario (aside from the one that one individual was posting under multiple identities) that could possible explain what happened, but it has not been offered by anyone.

It is also interesting to note that, his history of making posts opposing unaccredited schools notwithstanding, Byran was the originator of a thread entitled Century University, further corroborating the mountain of circumstantial evidence that this poster is playing the role of an agent provocateur. And although I agree completely with Bill Dayson’s assessment of the situation, I disagree with him that the TOS should be suspended just because we like someone, or agree with their posts. Until now, we do not have a mea culpa, and as is frequently the case, the cover up is worse than the crime.

The solution is simple. Both “Torry” and “Byran” should email the administrators their work telephone number (it should be the same). The administrators can then easily verify the identities of these two individuals and if they share a “workstation”. Any violation of TOS should be dealt with as it has before.

Gus Sainz

P.S. I deal extensively with non-native speakers of the English language. “Torry’s” errors in spelling, grammar, and syntax, however voluminous, are not consistent. They appear to be the work of someone that is trying to appear ignorant, rather than the sincere labor of one who is putting forth his or her best efforts.

Oh yeah, btw, I think the options I've given from before are a little more reliable than a phone call. It's very easy for me to get someone to be byran, Russell, Gus, Rich Douglas(my favorite), and others.

But you know what, I've given you guys all the options, which involve real people (Earon?? why can't we have a beer and discuss distance learning when we aren't too far away from each other? I ain't an evil man, it's just everybody labeled John Bear Phd as God, and I'm a phony shithead), emails to Century to enquire whether byrran is a student there (as I'm sure this isn't private information), you have all the IP's (which you're welcome to check, verify, and I have again stated that I'll release my consent to the ISP to give you the needed information. Call them, fax to them..whatever..or tell them to call me.. (i.e., who's the bill made to, what names are under what account, and for God's sake if you actually think I got my own internet acct 3 yrs ago just so that I can have a false front here today?). And the $500 US i mentioned earlier.

Goodbye!

Torry

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[Gus Sainz]

Originally posted by Torry:
Sure Gus. Why don't you email me your telephone number at tchemanius@hotmail.com
I'll call you, and we'll find a way to solve this "mess."

Torry

Torry, I am neither an administrator nor a moderator of this forum, but I’ll be glad to help resolve this issue if I can.

I have emailed you my telephone number. Call me between the hours of 9:00AM to 5:00PM EST. Ask for the administrative offices of the President. Tell either of my administrative assistants that you are “Torry” from deegreeinfo.com; I’ll inform them that I am expecting your call. Please ask your friend Byran to call me as well (otherwise, what’s the point?).

It is only fair that I warn you, however, that of all the human beings on the planet, I have one of the most acutely sensitive, highly developed, built-in cacadetorometers in existence. You risk exceeding its threshold and setting of the alarms at your own peril.

I will, however, give you my word on one thing. As much as I abhor dishonesty and hypocrisy, the one thing I detest, head and shoulders above all others, is injustice. However much you and I may differ in opinion, if you are being unjustly accused, I will champion your cause, and prove your innocence, if I am convinced of it.


Gus Sainz

[BillDayson]

Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
...this poster is playing the role of an agent provocateur. And although I agree completely with Bill Dayson’s assessment of the situation, I disagree with him that the TOS should be suspended just because we like someone, or agree with their posts.

Hi, Gus.

I made the post you are referring to because it seemed that the apparent TOS violations had ceased. The thread was just continuing on momentum, powered by our own indignant reponses to that provocation. I felt that the best thing to do was to let it drop.

But subsequent to my post "Torry" returned in a particularly combative manner.

I don't really care a whole lot whether "Torry" and "Byran" are the same individual. I personally suspect that they are one person, who is playing with a 'good' persona and a 'bad' persona.

But even if "Torry" truly is a separate individual, he has been behaving here as a provocateur and as a troll.

[DaveHayden]

It seems clear to me that the chances that Tory and Bryan are the same is likely 80% or higher. The chances of accidently logging in as another are correspondingly very unlikely. I also think Gus suggestion is a great one.

Best Regards,
Dave Hayden