United States Attacked - Let's All Do Our Part

[Bruce]

To all my fellow US citizens,

Like I'm sure all of you, I watched the tragedies in New York City and Washington D.C. with a sense of helpless rage. But, anger never solved anything, so I've been thinking of something to do to help.

The nation's blood supply was low even before yesterday's tragedies, and it's now probably critical. Let's all contact our local Red Cross and donate blood ASAP. I really *HATE* needles, but I'm going to donate as soon as I can. We need to do anything we can for the people of NYC and WDC.

God bless all those affected by this incomprehensible catastrophe....


Bruce

Originally posted by Bruce:
God bless all those affected by this incomprehensible catastrophe

Excellent post, Bruce! Not only do the families/victims need our prayers, but also the leaders of our nation, as well as foreign leaders.

Russell

[Nicole-HUX]

Although I have a rare blood type, the Red Cross has told me they can't use me as a donor because of various medication allergies. May I suggest as an alternative a cash donation to the Red Cross via the Amazon.com site? It's currently listed on their main page. They've collected pledges of over $500,000 in only 24 hours and have waived all fees that would normally be associated with the transactions so all collected monies will go to the relief fund.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Nicole-HUX:
May I suggest as an alternative a cash donation to the Red Cross via the Amazon.com site? associated with the transactions so all collected monies will go to the relief fund.

Excellent idea Nicole, I plan on doing both.


Bruce

[Tom Head]

I'm in the same boat as Nicole when it comes to donating blood, so I do appreciate her mentioning the Amazon.com link; and I second Bruce, that we should extend our prayers and support to those affected by this.

Here is a preliminary list of WTC tenants, but it only addresses the two main towers, to the best of my knowledge:
http://www.onisland.com/wtc/bizdir/index.html

A very early list of those killed (based mostly on the flight rosters) can be found here:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/victims.list.ap

I don't know what else to say.


Peace,

------------------
Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[JimLane]

Mull this over:

"In the year of the new
century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of
Terror.....
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees...
Fire approaches
the great new city..."
"In the city of york there will be a great
collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls
the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is
burning"

- NOSTRADAMUS
-

[Tom Head]

Originally posted by JimLane:
Mull this over:

About five minutes ago, I received an e-mail about this, and it included this URL.

Sorry... I would probably have taken it at face value, too, for what that's worth.


Peace,

------------------
Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by JimLane:
Mull this over:

"In the year of the new
century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of
Terror.....
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees...
Fire approaches
the great new city..."
"In the city of york there will be a great
collapse,
2 twin brothers torn apart by chaos
while the fortress falls
the great leader will succumb
third big war will begin when the big city is
burning"

- NOSTRADAMUS
-

Mull what over? The post-event forgery in the name of a long-dead philosopher who didn't get anything right? This is disrespectful of the real tragedy facing those people and our nation. Faked superstition adds nothing to the healing.

Rich Douglas

[Nicole-HUX]

Thanks Tom, for helping me put a stake in this on one of my other boards. If your link is overloaded, I found another one people might wish to check out:

Rumor Watch

[JimLane]

Yep, everyone is right, it is a hoax. About five min after posting above, I received the hoax alert, but forgot to come back here and put up the URL I had been given where this is documented. No sense in adding another to the others given.

Apologies.


jim

[JimLane]

Received this today:

"The Apollo Group and all its entities join the entire world in condemning the horrific acts of terrorism perpetrated on our country during this past week. We are pleased to announce that we are committing one million
dollars in support of the relief and recovery efforts. We are carefully considering
the appropriate place and methods to direct our support and will make you aware of the specifics when they are available. We encourage employees to express their support through the opportunities that mean the most to them while resting assured that their company will take an active role."

Todd Nelson
President and CEO

.....

Apollo Group is the parent of the University of Phoenix.


jim

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[se94583]

This says it all for me:

[Gus Sainz]

A Wonderful Tribute to the United States!!! Please see:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hankinhsd/thankyou.htm

I must, however, give you fair warning; some of you might want to have a Kleenex handy.


Gus Sainz

P.S. My personal favorite is the one of the guy sporting the green Mohawk.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Gus Sainz:
A Wonderful Tribute to the United States!!! Please see:
http://home.earthlink.net/~hankinhsd/thankyou.htm

I must, however, give you fair warning; some of you might want to have a Kleenex handy.

Yes Gus, that is a very moving tribute of the world's compassion towards the United States.

However, as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. I just saw that NATO members Germany, Norway, and Italy (with more to follow I'm sure) have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

That is in spite of the fact that the United States has invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter, which states that an attack on one member nation is an attack on all member nations, and all member nations are required to lend full assistance (including military aid) to the attacked member nation, in this case the United States.

Apparently, a lot of NATO members have decided that, for them, NATO only exists to provide them with protection, courtesy of the toughest kid on the block (United States), and they feel no compulsion to return the favor.

IMHO, the United States should immediately withdraw from NATO, and sign mutual-defense agreements with those countries (such as, but not limited to, the United Kingdom) who have proven themselves true friends of the United States.

There is no point whatsoever in the United States being a member of NATO (and paying billions in dues) if the other member nations will not assist us in our time of need, as is happening now.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just damn sick of my country playing Santa Claus to the rest of the world, and then getting crapped-on and attacked in return.

Bruce

[thekingster]

Hey Everyone...

If you want a real tear jerker that'll give you goose bumps...I suggest the following link:
http://www.jps.net/niners/tribute

I hope you're all proud to be American.

Steven King

[Ulrich Bozzo]

Originally posted by Bruce:
Yes Gus, that is a very moving tribute of the world's compassion towards the United States.

However, as the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. I just saw that NATO members Germany, Norway, and Italy (with more to follow I'm sure) have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

I am an Italian citizen,Bruce.
Concerning Italy,you were badly informed.
Silvio Berlusconi,Prime Minister,and Antonio Martino,defence Minister,are members of Forza Italia,a party that is traditionaly "atlantist".
Concerning these tragic events,the policy of the Italian gouvernment is in line with that of the British gouvernment.

Please consult http://it.news.yahoo.com/010918/58/17ozj.html

A strong support from the following countries:Australia,Belgium.UK,Canada,India,Israel ,Italy,Kuweit and Spain

A partial support from the following countries:France,Germany,Russia,Turkey,Pakistan,Sa udi Arabia,...

"ITALIA - Ha detto che parteciperà all'iniziativa militare ed è pronta a schierare truppe e aerei se necessario."

"Italy will join in the military initiative and is ready to marshal troups and planes if necessary."

I think,it's clear.

That is in spite of the fact that the United States has invoked Article 5 of the NATO charter, which states that an attack on one member nation is an attack on all member nations, and all member nations are required to lend full assistance (including military aid) to the attacked member nation, in this case the United States.

Apparently, a lot of NATO members have decided that, for them, NATO only exists to provide them with protection, courtesy of the toughest kid on the block (United States), and they feel no compulsion to return the favor.

IMHO, the United States should immediately withdraw from NATO, and sign mutual-defense agreements with those countries (such as, but not limited to, the United Kingdom) who have proven themselves true friends of the United States.

There is no point whatsoever in the United States being a member of NATO (and paying billions in dues) if the other member nations will not assist us in our time of need, as is happening now.

Sorry for the rant, but I'm just damn sick of my country playing Santa Claus to the rest of the world, and then getting crapped-on and attacked in return.

Bruce

You're not alone to be shocked,sad and angry.
But don't let the anger blind you.

Ulrich

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Ulrich Bozzo:
You're not alone to be shocked,sad and angry.
But don't let the anger blind you.

Ulrich

Dear Ulrich,

I am sorry, Ultrich, but I am with Bruce 100% in respect to NATO.

According to your assesment, NATO members who are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy are Belgium, Canada, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Then, this leaves the rest of NATO as week supporters or even "neutral", and this represents Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, and Turkey. By a simple mathematical calculation, this means that only 27.77_ % of NATO members are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy. This is a far cry from saying that NATO members are backing us up.

The other countries that you mentioned are not relevant to NATO because they are not members of it.

Thank you for your attention.

Very cordially yours,


Karlos Alberto "The Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

P.S.: For a list of NATO members, please check out:

http://www.nato.int/structur/countries.htm

[Bruce]

I'd like to retract (but not apoligize for) some of my comments regarding NATO. Since my original post, France, Germany, and Italy have all done a 180 degree about-face and come out in 100% support of the United States in the war on terrorism, including military assitance. All 3 countries have insisted that they will honor their NATO commitments.

The reason I will not apoligize is because my original post was correct, many NATO countries initially refused to assist the US as required by the NATO charter, but they have since come around. Some other NATO countries have either held fast in their refusal or stayed silent. These countries should be booted from NATO ASAP, IMO.

I would like to thank the citizens of all those countries who have chosen to stand with the United States in this darkest hour of our history.

Bruce

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[Ulrich Bozzo]

Originally posted by Caballero Lacaye:

Dear Ulrich,

I am sorry, Ultrich, but I am with Bruce 100% in respect to NATO.

According to your assesment, NATO members who are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy are Belgium, Canada, Italy, Spain, and the United Kingdom. Then, this leaves the rest of NATO as week supporters or even "neutral", and this represents Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, and Turkey. By a simple mathematical calculation, this means that only 27.77_ % of NATO members are strong supporters of US anti-terrorist policy. This is a far cry from saying that NATO members are backing us up.

The other countries that you mentioned are not relevant to NATO because they are not members of it.

Thank you for your attention.

Very cordially yours,


Karlos Alberto "The Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

P.S.: For a list of NATO members, please check out:

http://www.nato.int/structur/countries.htm

I did not contradict Bruce with regard to NATO.

Bruce mentioned Italy among the members of the NATO that have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

I am Italian and Bruce's assertion concerning Italy is false.That's why I corrected Bruce.
I did not comment on the fact that some NATO members have refused to give the US military assistance.

I gave two PARTIAL lists;a list of countries that are strong supporters(among them Italy) and another of countries that are partial supporters.I wrote COUNTRIES and not NATO MEMBERS.I know that Australia,India,Israel,Kuweit,Russia,Pakistan,Saud i Arabia are not members of the NATO.I am not completely idiot.At least I believe I am not.

Best regards

Ulrich

PS

Your way to calculate is a sophistry.You cannot say that Hungary for example is a weak supporter because Hungary is not on one of the two partial lists I gave.I (and you) do not know the point of view of the hungarian gouvernment..Hungary is simply not mentioned on http://it.news.yahoo.com/010918/58/17ozj.html

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Ulrich Bozzo:
I did not contradict Bruce with regard to NATO.

Bruce mentioned Italy among the members of the NATO that have refused to assist in military action against the terrorists who recently slaughtered over 5000 US civilians.

I am Italian and Bruce's assertion concerning Italy is false.That's why I corrected Bruce.
I did not comment on the fact that some NATO members have refused to give the US military assistance.

I gave two PARTIAL lists;a list of countries that are strong supporters(among them Italy) and another of countries that are partial supporters.I wrote COUNTRIES and not NATO MEMBERS.I know that Australia,India,Israel,Kuweit,Russia,Pakistan,Saud i Arabia are not members of the NATO.I am not completely idiot.At least I believe I am not.

Best regards

Ulrich

PS

Your way to calculate is a sophistry.You cannot say that Hungary for example is a weak supporter because Hungary is not on one of the two partial lists I gave.I (and you) do not know the point of view of the hungarian gouvernment..Hungary is simply not mentioned on http://it.news.yahoo.com/010918/58/17ozj.html

Hey, Ulrich!

Thank you for your comments.

You are right, but I still believe that the majority of NATO members are not supporters of US anti-terrorist policy. I am not backing up this assumption right now, but if you want me to, I can try to. I was reading some references about this.

Take care,


Karlos Alberto Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

P.S.: I have a strong suspicion that Hungary is either pseudo-supporting the US or that it is "neutral".

P.P.S.: By the way, I also have family ties to Italy since my brother-in-law is Italian American.