This NG is nothing more than a pissing match

[DWCox]

This NG really has the potential to provide some excellent information to the general public. Instead a group of about 11 members agrue with any one and everyone who posts an idea not consistent with The Group. Someone once told me that this forum was nothing more than a group of people who spent their days writing and editing their posts, and than patting each other on the back. I'm starting to see this as true.

I'm sure I won't be missed by many (if any) but I'm quite tired of it all. I intend to spend my time educating myself rather than arguing with every/anyone.

Regards to all, Wes

[SPorter]

Originally posted by DWCox:
I'm sure I won't be missed by many (if any) but I'm quite tired of it all. I intend to spend my time educating myself rather than arguing with every/anyone.

Regards to all, Wes

Bye.

[Lewchuk]

I wish I could disagree with you but I am afraid you are correct... quite sad.

Originally posted by DWCox:
This NG really has the potential to provide some excellent information to the general public. Instead a group of about 11 members agrue with any one and everyone who posts an idea not consistent with The Group. Someone once told me that this forum was nothing more than a group of people who spent their days writing and editing their posts, and than patting each other on the back. I'm starting to see this as true.

I'm sure I won't be missed by many (if any) but I'm quite tired of it all. I intend to spend my time educating myself rather than arguing with every/anyone.

Regards to all, Wes

[Tom Head]

Originally posted by DWCox:
This NG really has the potential to provide some excellent information to the general public. Instead a group of about 11 members agrue with any one and everyone who posts an idea not consistent with The Group.

You know that this means, of course, that I must argue with you, of course--since that view is not consistent with The Group.

In all seriousness: I have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about, but I wish you luck in your future endeavors. I've enjoyed some of your contributions, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Rich Douglas and MIGS. I think it's safe to say that most of us overestimated MIGS, but I think it was a good (or at least defensible) decision based on the information available to us at the time, and going after us now would be like writing a book on why the Titanic should have taken a hard right before it hit the iceberg, or why Al Gore should have sent Clinton to Arkansas to campaign for him. Hindsight is natural, but foresight is better.

Peace,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[Tom Head]

Originally posted by Tom Head:
You know that this means, of course, that I must argue with you, of course--

...but no one can talk to a horse, of course; that is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

(Apologies to everyone; the first line knoweth not what the second line is doing.)


Peace,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by Tom Head:
You know that this means, of course, that I must argue with you, of course--since that view is not consistent with The Group.

In all seriousness: I have absolutely no idea what the heck you're talking about, but I wish you luck in your future endeavors. I've enjoyed some of your contributions, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about Rich Douglas and MIGS. I think it's safe to say that most of us overestimated MIGS, but I think it was a good (or at least defensible) decision based on the information available to us at the time, and going after us now would be like writing a book on why the Titanic should have taken a hard right before it hit the iceberg, or why Al Gore should have sent Clinton to Arkansas to campaign for him. Hindsight is natural, but foresight is better.

Peace,

Wes and I traded several jovial e-mails regarding MIGS and Northcentral. I didn't feel any hostility from him directly, but there's been an edginess in his postings to this forum lately.

The only thing I can recall disagreeing with him on is the "California Approval is comparable to recognized accreditation" thread. He posted an opinion and cited a url. I disagreed, using information from the same url, along with Bear's recent survey and some historical information about California Approval. He didn't respond. (Nor did anyone else, BTW.) But that's it.

If he's mad at the Lewchuck/Lawrie battle, I don't see why. That stuff is pretty easy to ignore, and it never changes. It's like a shouting match during a pro wrestling telecast. Bombastic, predictable, and harmless.

I appreciate the notion that it (MIGS) seemed like a good idea at the time. It was. And it still is, sans the current players. The notion of an outside agency conducting programs leading to the award of degrees from a university is hardly unique. But the execution.....sigh.

Rich Douglas, encouraging Wes to send me an e-mail to explain what he's ticked off about.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by DWCox:
I'm sure I won't be missed by many (if any) but I'm quite tired of it all. I intend to spend my time educating myself rather than arguing with every/anyone.

I'm sorry you feel this way Wes. We (administrators & moderators) try our best to keep things civil and somewhat on-topic, but we do this in our spare time, as well as suffer from that terrible affliction we all face...we're human. Considering the available option (a.e.d.), I think things are fairly reasonable here.

Bruce

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Tom Head:
...but no one can talk to a horse, of course; that is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mister Ed.

(Apologies to everyone; the first line knoweth not what the second line is doing.)


Peace,

Hello, Br. Tom!

I might be confused here, Tom, but isn't Mr. Ed the owner of the horse, or is the horse actually named Mr. Ed? It might be that this is another case of Frankestein where the owner of the monster was Frankestein, not the monster itself.

Take care,


Karlos "El Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

[Lawrie Miller]

Originally posted by Caballero Lacaye:

Hello, Br. Tom!

I might be confused here, Tom, but isn't Mr. Ed the owner of the horse, or is the horse actually named Mr. Ed? It might be that this is another case of Frankestein where the owner of the monster was Frankestein, not the monster itself.

Take care,


Karlos "El Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

A horse is a horse of course of course,
and no one can talk to a horse of course,
that is of course unless that horse is the
famous Mr. Ed.

People go yakaty yak, and waste their time of day
but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say . . .

[DL course MRED201 - Contemporary American Culture]

[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by Caballero Lacaye:

Hello, Br. Tom!

I might be confused here, Tom, but isn't Mr. Ed the owner of the horse, or is the horse actually named Mr. Ed? It might be that this is another case of Frankestein where the owner of the monster was Frankestein, not the monster itself.

Take care,


Karlos "El Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

Mr. Ed was the horse. (Voice by Rocky Lane). Wilbur Post was his owner (played by Alan Young).

Rich Douglas, too young to have seen it originally, but benefitting from the wonders of re-runs.

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Lawrie Miller:
A horse is a horse of course of course,
and no one can talk to a horse of course,
that is of course unless that horse is the
famous Mr. Ed.

People go yakaty yak, and waste their time of day
but Mr. Ed will never speak unless he has something to say . . .

[DL course MRED201 - Contemporary American Culture]

Hey, Lawrie!

Thanks for your interesting and peculiar reference.

Best,


Karlos Alberto Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
Mr. Ed was the horse. (Voice by Rocky Lane). Wilbur Post was his owner (played by Alan Young).

Rich Douglas, too young to have seen it originally, but benefitting from the wonders of re-runs.

Dear Rich,

I appreciate your update.

Take care,


Karlos Alberto Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

[Dan Snelson]

Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
Mr. Ed was the horse. (Voice by Rocky Lane).

The series credits listed Mr. Ed was played by HIMSELF and he was really a ZEBRA!

Dan
(filled with useless trivia...)

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Dan Snelson:
The series credits listed Mr. Ed was played by HIMSELF and he was really a ZEBRA!

Dan
(filled with useless trivia...)

More useless trivia...Mr. Ed was actually a Palomino, and they made him "talk" by spreading peanut butter on the insides of his gums. This also works with dogs, it's pretty amusing and they love the peanut butter.

Bruce

[Tom Head]

Originally posted by Rich Douglas:
Mr. Ed was the horse. (Voice by Rocky Lane).

You mean the horse didn't really talk?


Peace,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[gila]

Wes, I wish you good luck.

I think that this group does provide excellent information, provides some incorrect information, and some inconsistent information, while having pissing matches with each other. Like my dinner plate, I leave the spinach, eat the roast and pick at the potato. However, I don't have the time to work, educate myself, be with my family and get involved in long endless discussions and I see you don't either. Tip my hat to those who get it all done, they may need less than the 5 hours sleep that I get.
-Gila

Originally posted by DWCox:
This NG really has the potential to provide some excellent information to the general public. Instead a group of about 11 members agrue with any one and everyone who posts an idea not consistent with The Group. Someone once told me that this forum was nothing more than a group of people who spent their days writing and editing their posts, and than patting each other on the back. I'm starting to see this as true.

I'm sure I won't be missed by many (if any) but I'm quite tired of it all. I intend to spend my time educating myself rather than arguing with every/anyone.

Regards to all, Wes

[Caballero Lacaye]

Originally posted by Tom Head:
You mean the horse didn't really talk?


Peace,

Hey, Br. Tom!

Actually, Mr. Ed did what can be described as mumbling. With today's digitalized techonology, however, Mr. Ed would be effectively moving his lips as if he were talking. In this sense, some of today's movies (I remember one with cats) show the animals moving his lips in a very real manner, trying to imitate authentic movements of the lips.

Bye for now,


Karlos Al "El Caballero" Lacaye
caballerolacaye@newsmail.org

[Dan Snelson]

Originally posted by Bruce:
More useless trivia...Mr. Ed was actually a Palomino, and they made him "talk" by spreading peanut butter on the insides of his gums. This also works with dogs, it's pretty amusing and they love the peanut butter.

Bruce

I watched a program about the show and he was a ZEBRA the Palomino would not stay still, they showed showed clips on how they made the strips disapear.

Dan

[samc79]

I agree with Wes. Unsuspecting posters to this forum must be aware that, many times, they could be belitted and, in extreme cases, insulted. Sad....

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Dan Snelson:
I watched a program about the show and he was a ZEBRA the Palomino would not stay still, they showed showed clips on how they made the strips disapear.

The Mister Ed/zebra thing is a persistant rumor that won't go away. A zebra was used in some stunt scenes when the real Mr. Ed was unavailable, but Mr. Ed was definitely a Palomino.
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Bruce