Pacific Western - Calling Dr. Bear

[RJT]

What's the opinion on Pacific Western's CA approved business program. They are lunching a new online venue in September, and the student can take all his/her classes on line. They are approved by the CA system, and are a state liscenced postsecondary institution.

Dr. Bear, all things equal, what's the best program for the stste licenced MBA?

PW - CA
Kennedy-Western
Barrington

Is there a preferred state liscenced school? I am not interested in RA. But I would conside orther SL options.

Thanks,

RJT
(Roberta Jennings Thompson)

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[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by RJT
What's the opinion on Pacific Western's CA approved business program. They are lunching a new online venue in September, and the student can take all his/her classes on line. They are approved by the CA system, and are a state liscenced postsecondary institution.

Dr. Bear, all things equal, what's the best program for the stste licenced MBA?

PW - CA
Kennedy-Western
Barrington

Is there a preferred state liscenced school? I am not interested in RA. But I would conside orther SL options.

Thanks,

RJT
(Roberta Jennings Thompson)

Another red herring, I'm sure. But here goes....

PWU was state-authorized until California eliminated the category. Schools in that category--and most unaccredited DL schools were--only had to file an affadavit covering 13 areas of opertion, and pledge $50,000 of assets dedicated to the university. But no one checked, so this attempt to eliminate fly-by-night operations went unfulfilled.

When the Authorized category was elimination, schools were required to meet the Approved standard. Almost all of California's Authorized institutions fled the state (or, at least, they moved their mail-forwarding services). Others shut down. University of Beverly Hills, Golden State University, University of Central California, Century, Kennedy-Western, and others either shut down or moved their official locations to other states (often while maintaining their businesses right in California). A few, like Columbia Pacific University, California Pacific University, and others went from having one or more programs approved under the old system to receiving institutional approval under the new. (California Coast had all of its programs approved prior to the change.)

But some schools decided to do an "end-around" the state's new rules without moving by creating two schools, each with the same name. One would be registered under Hawaii's notoriously lax (then) laws while another, much smaller version would be submitted to the California BPPVE for approval. PWU kept a few business programs under California approval while "moving" the rest of the operation to Hawaii. But both "schools" operated from the same California location. But who's to say by which version of PWU one's degree was awarded? It all looks the same, and I can't believe California tolerates it.

Will you get a degree from a state-approved university that way? Sure. But so what? Not only do you end up with a degree from an unaccredited school, you get one from a school willing to pull that kind of stunt to avoid any outside evaluation or regulation of its business.

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[John Bear]

Dear Ms. Thompson

If those were the only 3 choices on earth, then a California-approved degree is much preferable to an automatic unevaluated Wyoming one, or an automatically-approved no-evaluation-involved Alabama one.

Pacific Western would not make my top 500 choices for a distance Bachelor´s degree, but hey, that´s not my business, and Phil Forte, owner, hasn´t threatened to sue me for quite a while now.

Thanks for using a name.

John Bear, still awed by theç
Guggenheim Museum here in Bilbao

[Ian Anderson]

Originally posted by RJT
What's the opinion on Pacific Western's CA approved business program. They are lunching a new online venue in September, and the student can take all his/her classes on line. They are approved by the CA system, and are a state liscenced postsecondary institution.

Dr. Bear, all things equal, what's the best program for the stste licenced MBA?

PW - CA
Kennedy-Western
Barrington

Is there a preferred state liscenced school? I am not interested in RA. But I would conside orther SL options.

Thanks,

RJT
(Roberta Jennings Thompson)

Although I am not an advocate of non- RA accredited schools I wondered why you did not include California Coast U on your list. It appears to have a more favorable image than the ones you listed.

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[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by RJT
Thanks,

RJT
(Roberta Jennings Thompson)

RJT, what kind of games are you playing?

Note: It appears that our troll/shill RJT is posting over on the KWU forum as Recruiter1.

*****Here's a copy of a post to the KWU forum*********

Hi:
I am a Director of Recuiting with a Fortune-300 Company for two business units.

I decided to enroll at K-W to finalize what had taken over ten plus years at traditional colleges.

I am a Father and Husband, and live in the Phila. Suburbs.

Good luck to all who are trying to better themseleves thru education.

robert.thomas@unisys.com

*****End of KWU forum post **************

Roberta? You can't even tell the truth about your own name???

[RFValve]

Originally posted by Bill Huffman


RJT, what kind of games are you playing?

Note: It appears that our troll/shill RJT is posting over on the KWU forum as Recruiter1.

*****Here's a copy of a post to the KWU forum*********

Hi:
I am a Director of Recuiting with a Fortune-300 Company for two business units.

I decided to enroll at K-W to finalize what had taken over ten plus years at traditional colleges.

I am a Father and Husband, and live in the Phila. Suburbs.

Good luck to all who are trying to better themseleves thru education.

robert.thomas@unisys.com

*****End of KWU forum post **************

Roberta? You can't even tell the truth about your own name???

I would suggest to ignore RJT posts, next he will post a thread for KW vs Trinity College and KW vs Harvard and so on, no matter how many people post against KW he still is waiting for some KW supporters in the group. A probable employee of KW looking for publicity.

[Mike Albrecht]

Originally posted by Bill Huffman



robert.thomas@unisys.com

If that is him he has another problem, from unisys HR DEPARTMENT:

"Ethics

We Place High Value on Ethical Behavior
Over the years, employees throughout Unisys have built our reputation by dealing fairly and honestly in our business transactions and relationships.

Our reputation depends upon all of the decisions we make and all the actions we take each day. Our ethical standards define how we evaluate our decisions and actions -- and how we conduct our business. The behavior of each employee reflects on Unisys as a whole.

Every Unisys employee has a personal responsibility for behaving according to our ethical standards as well as achieving our business goals.

These ethical standards are defined below
Integrity – We will be honest in all our dealings and will always stand for what is right.
Respect – We show respect for one another by treating everyone with dignity and fairness.
Responsibility – We are accountable for our actions and honor our commitments.
Citizenship – We will conduct our business in accordance with applicable laws and regulations in each country where we operate.
Excellence – We will excel at everything we do and will strive for the highest standards of quality to achieve value for our customers.
Teamwork – We will work together with our diverse and collective workforce to create innovative products and solutions to respond to our customers' needs. "

http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/careers/ethics.htm

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[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by Mike Albrecht


If that is him he has another problem, from unisys HR DEPARTMENT:

"Ethics

We Place High Value on Ethical Behavior
...

I doubt if he really has a problem because those ethical behavior rules are referring to behavior while working not while trolling a discussion forum.

However, I would be very surprised if Unisys hired people into human resources with unaccredited degrees unless a degree is not required for the position.

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[Dr Dave]

In your list of CA-approved schools, why not include one of the oldest and most respected, California Pacific University?

David April
B.A., University of Massachusetts at Amherst
M.B.A., Boston College
ACM, Boston College
D.B.A., California Pacific University

[RJT]

Bill:

What appears to be may not always be the case. There are a lot of HR and recruiting professionals that attend K-W, as they have an MS in HR program.

I am not sure why the deep vengence, you seem angry at K-W, and at state liscenced advocates. However, that is your right.

Just as it is my right to ask Dr. Bear a question regarding a shortlist of schools.

Where is the integrity issue you claim. Even if I were the same person as you suggest, what is the issue with a screen name?

RJT

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[Wes Grady]

Where's Sam when you need him most........screen name, indeed....

Wes

[RJT]

Dr. Dave:

CPU is a great school. However, what appeals to me about PW CA is their soon to be on-line classes. CCU is also highly regarded. Amongst all that I speak with it seems that if you do not go RA, CA SL are the next best option. I feel with PW CA, my Masters will be held in higher regard, than if I were to go with Barrington, or K-W. If there is an equally respected SL school, non CA, I'd be open to considering as well. .... Cost is a big variant, for a SL degree the student pays one quarter the price of a RA Degree.

Regards,

RJT

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[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by RJT
What appears to be may not always be the case. There are a lot of HR and recruiting professionals that attend K-W, as they have an MS in HR program.

I am not sure why the deep vengence, you seem angry at K-W, and at state liscenced advocates. However, that is your right.

Just as it is my right to ask Dr. Bear a question regarding a shortlist of schools.

Where is the integrity issue you claim. Even if I were the same person as you suggest, what is the issue with a screen name?

RJT

I'm not angry at you or K-W. I find degree mills and their victims entertaining.

Regarding the integrity issue. You have told untruths on more than one occasion. If you deny it I'll be happy to point out specifics. Perhaps if you categorically denied it, I might be amused enough to go through your posts and list them out for you. Just because it is on-line it does not mean that it is okay, IMHO. If you make a statement that is untrue and it is pointed out that it's untrue then it shows integrity to thank the person that has corrected you and even apologize for your mistake. When you don't do this, it makes it appear that you were telling untruths on purpose.

A handle is just that a handle. I think that many people feel more comfortable dealing with names (especially on this forum) so if you want to use a handle I'd suggest using a name (not necessarily your own). BTW Roberta, are you saying that you're female and your name really is Roberta Thompson? Are you saying that you are not Robert Thomas?

Roberta, I have a question for you. You seem to think that there's some magic in state licensing. I hereby challenge you to find a degree mill that does not have a state license. If there are none then what is a state license supposed to mean? While you're at it, why don't you tell us what creative innovations that KWU has come up with that RA schools will soon be following?

Perhaps the problem is that you don't believe that integrity and the truth are issues in the on-line world? Perhaps you believe that it is okay to make up nonsense and state it as fact because it is the on-line world? Perhaps you you don't see any of this as an issue of integrity at all whether it is on-line or not? In my opinion these issues are all issues of integrity that are important whether on-line or in person and you Sir have come up short, at least so far.

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[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by RJT
Dr. Dave:

I feel with PW CA, my Masters will be held in higher regard, than if I were to go with Barrington, or K-W.

By whom? Certainly not admissions officers, who clearly decline to make any distinctions between various state approvals, authorizations, licenses, etc. And I know of no evidence supporting your statement as it applies to employment, either.

If there is an equally respected SL school, non CA, I'd be open to considering as well. .... Cost is a big variant, for a SL degree the student pays one quarter the price of a RA Degree.

Regards,

RJT

I'm not sure where you get the "one quarter" figure, especially for a master's degree. There are many accredited (or equivalent) options available for near or even below the cost of the degree programs you cite.

Red herring.

[Myoptimism]

State approved is RJT's only option. Or an honest to god mill that doesn't even put the make up on and pretend. So, to focus on the best of the worst, go CA approved. Any school, it doesn't really matter. Unless you can talk a NA school to accept you, then at least you would have an accredited degree. If you can't pull that off, PWU, or CCU, et al are your best choice.

Tony

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[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by Myoptimism
State approved is RJT's only option,
Tony

This is an interesting conclusion. I'd love to know what makes it so. Unaccredited schools make up a very thin fringe in higher education. I'm sure if you found 100 people in the situation RJT describes, all of them could find ways of earning legitimate degrees. Almost no one considers unaccredited degrees; they're expensive, and people are not typically exposed to them.

There is another alternative, if cost is the issue. Work hard and save your money, then attend a real school when you can afford it.

I left my Union Ph.D. program in 1994 because of financial reasons. I returned in 2002 when I could afford it. That's a long time to wait, but it is reality. Based upon what we've read here, RJT doesn't function within that realm.

Red herring.

[Myoptimism]

Originally posted by Rich Douglas


This is an interesting conclusion. I'd love to know what makes it so. Unaccredited schools make up a very thin fringe in higher education. I'm sure if you found 100 people in the situation RJT describes, all of them could find ways of earning legitimate degrees. Almost no one considers unaccredited degrees; they're expensive, and people are not typically exposed to them.

There is another alternative, if cost is the issue. Work hard and save your money, then attend a real school when you can afford it.

I left my Union Ph.D. program in 1994 because of financial reasons. I returned in 2002 when I could afford it. That's a long time to wait, but it is reality. Based upon what we've read here, RJT doesn't function within that realm.

Red herring.

I believe RJT is talking about MBA's, unless the story is changing again (I have a hard time keeping up with him/her). With his K-W bachelors state approved probably is his only option.

Tony

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[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by Myoptimism


I believe RJT is talking about MBA's, unless the story is changing again (I have a hard time keeping up with him/her). With his K-W bachelors state approved probably is his only option.

Tony

Many MBA programs will accept non-degreed applicants who are sufficiently qualified and prepared for graduate work. They don't advertise it as a matter of policy, but would consider applicants on a case-by-case basis. The case would be made a bit stronger with the possesion of a bachelor's from an unaccredited school, but not much.

Heriot-Watt and other overseas schools will also make such provisions. At H-W, the non-degreed student must complete 2 (or is it 3) courses successfully to be admitted. But those courses still count towards the 9 necessary to graduate.

The person posting as RJT is just playing around. He/she isn't serious about this subject, and keeps dropping questions to watch others respond. It's weird, but he/she's doing it.

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[Richard A. Suhar PE CMfgE]

There are still other options...... USA Today has lots of ads that are not state approved institutions.... and some, maybe not institutions at all.

There has been at least one successful entrance to Columbia Southern (DETC Accredited School) Safety program by a KW graduate. A search of the KW Pub will reveal the story. Sure it is one story but if there is one, who's to say there aren't more?? Probably not an overwhelming number, but it does demonstate that it can be done.

Much has been written about the utility of the unaccredited degree and the lack of quality assurance. Why do I mention Safety??? I work with a BS in Safety Engineering graduate from KW and he is definitely a top knotch professional. His final project resulted in major insurance premiums savings for his previous employer. Employers like people who can save them big bucks.

As for MBAs, I haven't met any with non-RA degree. Where I work, the MBA is more of a filter than anything else. Carring the sales bag (code word for paying your dues) will trump an "MBA only" candidate just about every time for a promotion.

Regards,

Dick

Originally posted by Myoptimism


I believe RJT is talking about MBA's, unless the story is changing again (I have a hard time keeping up with him/her). With his K-W bachelors state approved probably is his only option.

Tony

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[Bill Huffman]

I got Dilbert's Newsletter and it had what I thought was a perfect response for someone that has a degree mill degree and is supposedly searching for the best inferior school that they can find for their graduate degree.

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