Clermont/Senior/SCUPS???

[RJT]

What are the overall thoughts of Clermont College?

http://www.clermontcollege.com/

They appear to be fully state approved, and an admissions counselor described that the University of Colorodo is reimbursing it's employees that attend there.

I am also exporing Senior International University and SCUPS. All three appear to be fully state liscened post secondary educational institutions.

Looking for additional options where my K-W BS (once I graduate) will be accepted for a graduate program, other than K-W.

Thanks,

RJT

[Ian Anderson]

Originally posted by RJT
What are the overall thoughts of Clermont College?

http://www.clermontcollege.com/

They appear to be fully state approved, and an admissions counselor described that the University of Colorodo is reimbursing it's employees that attend there.

Wow - One can obtain a Ph.D by taking 10 "lessons" and passing open book exams, in 120 days for total of $2400. What a deal for a degree from Claremont College --- ooops- --I misread -- this is Clermont College.

[Ike]

Originally posted by RJT
What are the overall thoughts of Clermont College?

http://www.clermontcollege.com/

They appear to be fully state approved, and an admissions counselor described that the University of Colorodo is reimbursing it's employees that attend there.

I am also exporing Senior International University and SCUPS. All three appear to be fully state liscened post secondary educational institutions.

Looking for additional options where my K-W BS (once I graduate) will be accepted for a graduate program, other than K-W.

Thanks,

RJT

According to an African adage, a man who develops cholera, having been just cured of smallpox, is destined for a solitary life in the evil forest where he will die alone and in desolation. Now RJT, if you have plans to attend Senior International University after you graduate from Kennedy-Western, I will conclude that you are destined to receive all your degrees from diploma mills. Remember that using degrees from diploma mills to get a job is akin to sitting on a keg of gunpowder. Any person that sits on a keg of gunpowder must stay away from incendiary materials, including smoldering cigarette butts. If not, there will be a BANG!!!!

[JE Brunton]

This is the reincarnation of the Prescott College of Business & Leadership which was sued by our office. The judgment which we obtained against Prescott and it owner, Mr. Stephen Moss, remains unpaid in its entirety.

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[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by JE Brunton
This is the reincarnation of the Prescott College of Business & Leadership which was sued by our office. The judgment which we obtained against Prescott and it owner, Mr. Stephen Moss, remains unpaid in its entirety.

What RJT seems to believe is more important is whether or not the "school" he attends has a state license. Little matters like states trying to close down his school for being a degree mill is fine if the school can move their address to a new state, get another state license and remain in business. It is even apparently okay if this happens multiple times bouncing from state to state.

[Kristin Evenson Hirst]

Originally posted by RJT
..[Clermont College appears] to be fully state approved, and an admissions counselor described that the University of Colorodo is reimbursing it's employees that attend there.

State approved ... by Montana. Why not just set up your own university in Montana?

They say U of Colorado is reimbursing U of C employees that attend Clermont? What does U of C say?

[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by RJT
I am also exporing Senior International University and SCUPS.

Since no one has addressed SCUPS, I'll tell you a little that is said about it in Bear's Guide to Earning Degrees by Distance Education , 14th Edition,

"Southern California University for Professional Studies (SCUPS)
[...]
Approved to operate in California
[...]
In April 1997 the Chronicle of Higher Education reported that SCUPS had been called a diploma mill by the Thai government and banned from Thailand.
[...]
In early 1990's, SCUPS distributed what they claimed was a reprint of their listing in this book [Bear's Guide] but they had changed it to make it more favorable to the school."

[Bill Huffman]

I should also mention that SCUPS is not accredited.

Originally posted by JE Brunton
Prescott College of Business & Leadership which was sued by our office...The judgment which we obtained against Prescott and it owner, Mr. Stephen Moss, remains unpaid in its entirety.

Perhaps Mr. Moss has begun the new institution to award degrees, then pay off the Prescott judgment with the proceeds!

[Ian Anderson]

It appears that many less than reputable schools go out of their way to use names similar to well established RA institutions:
"Clermont" vs Claremont
"Prescott College of Business and Leadership" vs Prescott College (of Arizona)
"Berkley" vs Berkeley (UC)

Originally posted by Ian Anderson
It appears that many less than reputable schools go out of their way to use names similar to well established RA institutions:

You are correct, Ian.

Russell A. Morris, BS (UCLO); MEd (SONY); Ph.D. (Yell)

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[John Bear]

Sadly, you're very much in a "Groucho Marx"* situation, Mr. T.

You probably wouldn't want to go to any school that would accept you into a Master's program based on a Kennedy-Western Bachelor's.

Unless, of course, your Fortune 500 company is again willing to pay for, recognize, celebrate, and rejoice in your earning another such degree.

There are exceptions, of two kinds:

1. Some properly-accredited Master's programs may accept the K-WU degree as part of a body of work and experience. During my time with Greenwich University, for instance (1990-91), a school that had no more recognition than K-WU, I intervened on behalf of a dozen or so students in a comparable situation. There were three notable successes: New York University, the University of Nebraska, and the Coast Guard. And there were 9 or 10 failures.

2. And there are properly-accredited Master's programs that do not require a Bachelor's at all. The two major British universities for which I once did marketing (Heriot-Watt, Leicester) are among them. And my survey of executive MBA programs at 16 major universities (Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, etc.) suggests that all but two were willing to consider a well-qualified applicant with no Bachelor's degree at all. (These, of course, are highly competitive residential programs.)

Senior U, incidentally, is co-founded and co-owned by Les Carr, the co-owner of Columbia Pacific University, and founder of Columbia Commonwealth University.

I'm glad Bill Huffman reprised my comments on SCUPS. They remain the only school, good or bad, in 27 years, that actually printed pages that looked as if they were from Bears' Guide, and claimed to be from Bears' Guide, but which had me saying positive things I would never say about SCUPS -- and, indeed, had me saying negative things I would not have said about some SCUPS competitors. They stopped on receipt of a stern letter from my publisher's lawyer. SCUPS was also identified in Spy Magazine (2/95, I think) as one of the schools that fell for their 'sting' operation, in which a lawyer claimed to represent a wealthy patron who needed a degree urgently, money was no object. The price offered was $10,000 as I recall.

SCUPS founder later established Northcentral University, which has candidacacy from its regional accreditor which, like DETC, presumably looks only at current operations, not prior behaviors.

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[Veteran101]

Hmmm.
A degree from AA to Phd all in less than a year.

Hmmm.
Accredited?!?
The American Council for Home Study Colleges?
A. Does not have a web site.
B. Their contact has an AOL address?
C. Where is Swartz Creek Michigan?

Hmmm.
One would think a " World Leader" in Distance Education
would have a physical location to show on their site and
an accredidation host to have a website and something more
than an AOL address.

One last Hmmm.
Would one think that "World Leader" in Distance Education
would have a www.clermontmontcollege.edu address and not
a commercial dot com. address?????

Something is rotten in Denmark. Woops, I mean Montana

Enjoy

The Vet

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[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by John Bear
Sadly, you're very much in a "Groucho Marx"* situation, Mr. T.

*A great Groucho Marx line that is very appropriate to Mr. T's question is something along the lines of, "I wouldn't want to be a part of any club that was willing to accept me as a member."

[RJT]

I agree about Clermont. The .com address is a concern. They told me that .edu was selected beacuse of the fact that it would be easier to remember.

I've narrowed my choices to:

Continue w/Kennedy-Western for EMBA (if they do not jerk me around)

Barrington U for their MBA in INNOVATION

Pacific Western U (CA, State approved campus)

Senior University Int'l. (the Indidvidualized Research MBA)

SCUPS

Century University.


Likely leaning towards PWU, as they are inexpensive, CA approved.

I was looking at Columbia Southern, but, they'll make me take 10 classes in their BS program prior to the MBA.

I have at this time completed all requirements (Accelerated Final Paper Approval pending) at K-W, for a BS in Management.

I realize that all the above are not RA, but they are state approved, and legal, and will require serious coursework.

Thanks all,

RJT

PS - My contention w/K-W is that I've completed all coursework, and the final paper, but they are playing games w/eligabilty to graduate in Sept. I guess I should have read the fineprint. Now I am stuck.

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