St Regis - DegreeInfo Distance Learning

kostas · #1 06-18-2002, 11:19 PM

Any one knows if St. Regis is legal?

Kristin Evenson Hirst · #2 06-19-2002, 06:28 AM

Regis University in Denver, Colorado is unquestionably legal. It's a Jesuit college that offers a variety of online learning options.

But perhaps you meant the "Saint Regis University" which has a mailing address in the Commonwealth of Dominica. Hmm. It may have satisfied the letter of the law for incorporation. This hardly seems sufficient justification for investing one's time and money in it.

It's mentioned in an article here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E19701,00.html

Bill Huffman · #3 06-19-2002, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by kostas
Any one knows if St. Regis is legal?

When it comes to schools this is not really the best question to ask. Even when a school has been closed down and the owner thrown in jail for fraud for running a fake school, it could be argued that the school was still legal in some jurisdictions. As a matter of fact there's even one interesting example, LaSalle, where the owner was in jail for running a fraud school and the school reopened and continued operating while he was in jail.

KPMember · #4 07-31-2002, 07:04 AM

It lists accreditations from so many but not from "The Big Six", is that the red flag that it isn't?

bgossett · #5 07-31-2002, 07:10 AM

It is but one of many red flags. In the case of the example you cite, accreditation, the many agencies Saint Regis claims are as suspect as the 'school' itself.

Veteran101 · #6 07-31-2002, 06:04 PM

A combination BS,MS,Phd!

All for Life Experience and less than 2,000.00

I can even get a wallet sized diploma/degree to carry
around and show my friends.

Where do I sign up!!!!!!?????

Wes Grady · #7 07-31-2002, 06:25 PM

Funny, but when I made a similar comment about a member of distancedegree.net, I was chastised and decided leave rather than accept it. 6 college credits and all the rest "life experience" and yet I found a large part of that group supported the concept.

While I certainly agree that life experience should be transferrable into college credit, I don't believe that it should be taken for an entire degree. If you are a photographer and have the ability to support a level of expertise in the field, then you get 3 credits, or perhaps 6 if you can show that it is worth significant work. But, there are schools that will say, "He is a great photographer, who has exhibited at the Met, lets give him a BA". Of course, none of those schools are accredited, and I think we can understand why.

Wes

Myoptimism · #8 07-31-2002, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Wes Grady
Funny, but when I made a similar comment about a member of distancedegree.net, I was chastised and decided leave rather than accept it. 6 college credits and all the rest "life experience" and yet I found a large part of that group supported the concept.

While I certainly agree that life experience should be transferrable into college credit, I don't believe that it should be taken for an entire degree. If you are a photographer and have the ability to support a level of expertise in the field, then you get 3 credits, or perhaps 6 if you can show that it is worth significant work. But, there are schools that will say, "He is a great photographer, who has exhibited at the Met, lets give him a BA". Of course, none of those schools are accredited, and I think we can understand why.

Wes

I agree, but comptetence in the field of photography may well be worth more than six credits. Of course, it depends on how well rounded and accomplished the photographer is. Maybe 30 max, in unusual situations.

Tony

qjackson · #9 07-31-2002, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Wes Grady
Funny, but when I made a similar comment about a member of distancedegree.net, I was chastised and decided leave rather than accept it. 6 college credits and all the rest "life experience" and yet I found a large part of that group supported the concept.

So now 9 (your original assumption) has become "6" and the rest has become "life experience."

When will the "6" become "none" and the rest become "past life experience"?

Wes Grady · #10 07-31-2002, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by qjackson

So now 9 (your original assumption) has become "6" and the rest has become "life experience."

When will the "6" become "none" and the rest become "past life experience"?

Sorry, 9 credits...still a long way from from a BA, MA, Ph.D.....

Wes

Bill Huffman · #11 07-31-2002, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Wes Grady
While I certainly agree that life experience should be transferrable into college credit, I don't believe that it should be taken for an entire degree.

From my point of view, the degree should have a detailed list of specific class requirements and elective classes. Any life experience must be applied against specific courses proving along the way (via exam or portfolio) that the course material has been understood. If this can be done with all life experience for the degree or not is immaterial.

The problem with degree mills is that they don't apply the life experience towards specific classes. The whole process becomes inexact and bogus at that point. The fraud victims are pleased and honored that their life experience is apparently so valuable and pleased that the degree mill is pretending to be so academic rigorous. The degree mill then laughs all the way to the bank.

BE10sCoach · #12 08-12-2002, 06:18 PM

What's the scoupe on this gentleman, who seems to be very important at Saint Regis?

Wes Grady · #13 08-13-2002, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by BE10sCoach
What's the scoupe on this gentleman, who seems to be very important at Saint Regis?

Well, he seems to sit at the left hand of God, what with all his credentials.....some of which are absolutely priceless.... I think I will claim some of them too. And tomorrow I will make it a point to ask Curtis Sliwa about his claims of training the Guardian Angels....

Wes

Oh, his bio from St. Regis follows:

Professor Richard Hoyer, B.S. (Psychology); B.A. (Criminal Justice Administration); Master of Public Administration; M.S. (Environmental Safety and Health); Ph.D. (Public Safety Education); Doctor of Psychology (Clinical Psychology); Doctor of Business Administration; a Doctor of Education (Educational Administration and Psychology); Doctor of Medicine (Russian Academy, Medical Faculty); he holds the highest educational honor in Russia of "Academician of the Russian Academy of Science," and he was Awarded the Highest Medal of Honor Federation of Astronauts Russia. Dr. Hoyer designed and developed all of the Occupational Safety and Health; Industrial Hygiene; Safety Engineering; Environmental Engineering; and Health Science curriculum for Columbia Southern University.

Since 1972, he has been employed in such diverse areas as law enforcement; safety and health administration; environmental management; safety and security management; and chief of an industrial fire department and hazardous materials emergency response team. He has designed and delivering 26 separate injury reduction, safety and environmental compliance training programs for eleven (11) industrial facilities in three states; conducted safety and environmental audits; was the project manager of a five year, 752 rail transit car, asbestos abatement project for the New York City Transit Authority; and developed and managed an armed proprietary security force consisting of 48 employees.
He has worked in the area of criminal justice client behavioral health management. From managing the behavior modification and accountability of persons on probation, parole, and work release programs, to working with county, state, and federal inmates at community based correctional facilities. He has been on the Community Advisory Board for the County Drug Court for six years. In addition to having written the entire degree curricula for the environmental science, environmental engineering, occupational safety and health, and health science degree programs at the undergraduate and graduate degree levels for three universities, he is credited with the design and development of the country's first non-traditional degree program in environmental science.

Dr. Hoyer is the former Chair of the Environmental and Safety Engineering Department at Kennedy-Western University; an Adjunct Professor for the MBA program at Newport University; an Instructor at Corning Community College, for their safety (OSHA) and environmental (EPA) compliance programs; and he has taught the Educational Methodology course as an Adjunct Instructor at the New York State Academy of Fire Science. He is currently an education administrator and teaches psychology at a local college.

His community involvement includes being the Director of Safety and Health Education for an American Red Cross chapter for five years; as a New York State Certified, Emergency Technology Instructor, taught medical students, nursing students, and hundreds of thousands of emergency room medical personnel for eight years; trained the Guardian Angeles Safety Patrol in New York City, in criminal law, justifiable use of physical force, laws of citizens arrest, karate and defensive tactics.

Dr. Hoyer holds national credentials as a Registered Environmental Professional (1988-1998); Diplomat in Environmental Sciences; Certified Security Professional; New York State Certified Fire Instructor; New York State and New York Certified Fire Investigator; and New York State Bureau for Municipal Police, Certified Police Instructor. He is included in the 1992 though 1998 editions of "Who's Who in Environmental Education and Management" and he is listed in the 1994 though 1997 editions of "Who's Who in Business Administration".

Dr. Hoyer's hobby has been practicing Isshin Ryu karate for the past 25 years where he has reached the level of fourth degree blackbelt. He has taught karate privately and for small groups over the last 15 years. He was nominated and inducted in the World Wide Martial Arts Hall of Fame as "Blackbelt of the Year" for both 2000 and 2001.

Over the last five years, Dr. Hoyer has continued his education with a Postgraduate Diploma in Forensic Psychology, a Postgraduate Diploma in TESOL, and he is completing work on a Postgraduate Certificate and Diploma in Environmental Engineering Management.

His work in the area of community-based corrections, has afforded him the opportunity to receive professional credentials in that arena through the National Association of Forensic Counselors. He holds the Certified Criminal Justice Specialist designation; the Master Addictions Counselor designation; Diplomat status, and the coveted nationally Certified Clinical Psychopathologist credential.

Bruce · #14 08-13-2002, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by Wes Grady
He holds the Certified Criminal Justice Specialist designation;

Very interesting...I've been involved in the Criminal Justice field for almost 15 years as a police officer, and also hold an M.A. in Criminal Justice from a major state university (University of Massachusetts-Lowell) that received the highest grade possible from the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences (www.acjs.org), the "unofficial" accreditor of CJ programs.

In spite of all that, I have never heard of the "Criminal Justice Specialization" designation. Who awards this?

Wes, I know the above is a rhetorical question, and it is meant to spur debate more than anything........

Bruce

Bill Huffman · #15 08-13-2002, 08:13 AM

Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Richard Hoyer Ph.D. Ph.D. Ph.D. has a most impressive set of credentials. He even has time to write books on the twenty best degree mills oops I mean distance learning schools where you can get your degree in as little as one month.

http://www.4acollegedegree.com/

However in this page he is only a Dr. Dr. Richard Hoyer Ph.D. plus his medical degree also came up missing???

http://www.4acollegedegree.com/about_the_author.html

BE10sCoach · #16 08-13-2002, 10:38 AM

Bill,
Thanks for the information. On the web page I see some of the verification services and accreditation services as links. Are they valid organizations?

BE10sCoach · #17 08-13-2002, 10:45 AM

I really don't give Bear that much respect here. He is an expert on distance learning but in the past has done things to " feather his own nest ", so to speak. We all answer to the almighty buck and Bear is no exception. He has done many double takes in recommendations and has been associated himself with some dubious institutions. All of the sudden, he has seen the light????

Kristin Evenson Hirst · #18 08-13-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by BE10sCoach
On the web page I see some of the verification services and accreditation services as links. Are they valid organizations?

You mean the "Associations / Societies" listed on the additional resources page? None are recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or CHEA. I'm pretty sure at least a couple are associated with St. Regis and AdvancedU.org

What's with the swipe at John Bear? He hasn't even been mentioned in this discussion thread.

John Bear · #19 08-16-2002, 08:14 AM

BE10sCoach writes:
I really don't give Bear that much respect here...He has done many double takes in recommendations and has been associated himself with some dubious institutions.

John Bear replies:
Dear Coach Eydler
Would you be including your own alma mater, Columbia Pacific University, on that list? As a matter of intriguing coincidence, the very first expert witness job I ever did was in your hometown of Wilkes-Barre, for the purpose of appearing on behalf of a Columbia Pacific graduate whose degree was rejected by the school board. Would I testify on their behalf again? For degrees earned before 1996, yes.

The day of my testimony in Wilkes Barre was one of those linked in memory forever to an event; it was the day Pope John II was shot.

Coach writes: All of the sudden, he has seen the light????

John replies: do you want me to attack CPU? I happen to feel that during the time of my involvement, CPU, Fairfax, and Greenwich were remarkably comparable: decent unaccredited schools with quite strong faculties; that never hinted at anything related to accreditation.

John Bear, playing coach of the Reed College
tennis team in 1957, the year we actually beat
Oregon State, perhaps Reed's only victory over
a Division I team, in anything; although I believe the
baseball team once beat Multnomah Dental.

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