California Coast University or Pacific Western University(California)

[brandon]

Apparently you haven't been reading the responses, so I'll say it again. In many cases, an RA degree program is less expensive than an unaccredited program, so your rationalization of saving money just doesn't make any sense. It makes even less sense to go for an unaccredited Bachelor's degree when there are so many good, cheap RA alternatives.

No, it IS more expensive to get an RA degree. Show me one that offers a bachelor's degree program for less than $3500 including books, fees etc where there are no semesters or quarters.

Ah, arguing the alternative. "It matters. It doesn't matter." How can anyone keep up? When people point out that a CCU degree would be a magnet for criticism of a political candidate, you first say that's incorrect, then you say it doesn't matter. With that kind of logic, you can rationalize purchasing a diploma from a diploma mill.

No because i want to do the work and learn something. Whether or not it is accredited by the bureacracy is of little significance to me.

[drwetsch]

Originally posted by brandon


It doesn't make much difference to me really. I see the cal coast degree as more valuable as a cost vs. benefit scenario over the cheap RA alternatives which are far out of my price range anyway.

How do you come by this conclusion that the cost vs benefit of Cal Coast is greater than a cheap RA?

John

[Bill Grover]

Originally posted by brandon


Whether or not it is accredited by the bureacracy is of little significance to me.

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But then why post a query? If your'e committed, have at it! Your respondants argue back to you in terms of what generally is best. You fire back in terms of what you think is best for YOU! Fine!

Do it and live with it!

But for all others who would be holders of degrees, please, heed the good advice given here for what generally is best. Weigh the utility of having an accredited degree for the rest of your life.

[brandon]

But then why post a query? If your'e committed, have at it! Your respondants argue back to you in terms of what generally is best. You fire back in terms of what you think is best for YOU! Fine

Because my query was "Which of the three schools i listed is the best?"

I decided Pacific Western is the worst. They're definitely out.

So it's either California Pacific or California Coast. I'm not sure which of these to choose, but i'll probably go with cal coast. Cal Pacific looks awfully tempting though.

	California Coast University California Coast University CCU offers the following online degrees: Associate’s Degrees in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, and Marketing; Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, Management, Marketing, and Psychology; MBA’s with concentrations in General Business, and Human Resources Mgmt; Master’s in Education in Curriculum & Instruction, and Education Administration; and a Master of Science in Management and Psychology. The school is DETC accredited, a widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

[drwetsch]

Originally posted by brandon




I don't see *much* of a difference personally but the RA obviously has advantages. Unless your talking about one of those state approved "cult" schools like University of Santa Monica, I would prefer the prestigous state approved school over the non prestigous RA school for various reasons i have outlined in this thread.

Brandon,

I think this is the problem. You don't see any difference when we are trying to tell you that there really is a difference.

John

[brandon]

I think this is the problem. You don't see any difference when we are trying to tell you that there really is a difference.

There is a difference on this board and with the kooks on usenet, but barely in the real world. I believe these schools will become RA in the next several years anyway. Better to get in while it's still cheap. So what do you think Cal Pacific or Cal Coast?

[Gert Potgieter]

Originally posted by brandon
... I believe these schools will become RA in the next several years anyway. Better to get in while it's still cheap. ...

Aw, c'mon Brandon. I have seen no evidence at all that these institutions are interested in regional accreditation, let alone that they are pursuing it.

[Bill Grover]

Originally posted by brandon


Because my query was "Which of the three schools i listed is the best?"

I decided Pacific Western is the worst. They're definitely out.

So it's either California Pacific or California Coast. I'm not sure which of these to choose, but i'll probably go with cal coast. Cal Pacific looks awfully tempting though.

And your answer from the consensus here is none of them is worth your time! Again, go do it then! It is your choice and your life. Why bother defending your choices?

[brandon]

Aw, c'mon Brandon. I have seen no evidence at all that these institutions are interested in regional accreditation, let alone that they are pursuing it.

Well the evidence I see is that there are many schools offering DL programs now, and while schools like cal coast still have an advantage in terms of convenience and cost, in oreder to stay competitive in the market i think they'll eventually have to get around to it.

[brandon]

And your answer from the consensus here is none of them is worth your time! Again, go do it then! It is your choice and your life. Why bother defending your choices?

Nothing wrong with a debate on the subject.

[Bill Grover]

Originally posted by brandon



Nothing wrong with a debate on the subject.

This is not a debate. A "debate" is a discussion of reasons for and reasons against one issue (World Book Ency Dic,p.510). Your reasons for, as you admit above, relate to you! Reasons contra your stance relate to the general populous. You are arguing what is best for you ("to me"). These are arguing what is best for most! These two are not the same issue. Hence there is no debate! Do you wish to argue , and change your subject, as to which is generally best RA or not RA?

[brandon]

This is not a debate. A "debate" is a discussion of reasons for and reasons against one issue (World Book Ency Dic,p.510). Your reasons for, as you admit above, relate to you! Reasons contra your stance relate to the general populous. You are arguing what is best for you ("to me"). These are arguing what is best for most! These two are not the same issue. Hence there is no debate! Do you wish to argue , and change your subject, as to which is generally best RA or not RA?

No, you are incorrect. The others changed the original subject, as to which is generally best RA or not RA. I have argued that a degree from Calcoast is no less useful for the general populous than a degree from one of the obscure RA DL institutions when weighing the advantages and disadvatages of said degrees. Others disagree with this notion and have presented their opinions and supporting arguments which constitutes a debate.

[Bill Grover]

Perhaps, then , this is a true debate. But my wife and I are off to dinner so checking out!

Originally posted by brandon
I have argued that a degree from Calcoast is no less useful for the general populous than a degree from one of the obscure RA DL institutions when weighing the advantages and disadvatages of said degrees.

Respectfully, you are incorrect. I would hate for anyone to be misled by this. A Calcoast degree is no less useful than an RA degree from an obscure RA institution IF you do not need a job requiring a degree and are just getting it for the general purpose of saying *I have a bachelors degree* at cocktail parties and to impress friends and coworkers at a fast food restaurant.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are serious but I must say that the leaps in your logic lead me to question whether or not you are simply pulling some legs here.

North

[DaveHayden]

Originally posted by brandon


I believe these schools will become RA in the next several years anyway. Better to get in while it's still cheap. So what do you think Cal Pacific or Cal Coast?

That is the funniest statement I have heard all month. CCU will never become RA.

	California Coast University California Coast University CCU offers the following online degrees: Associate’s Degrees in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, and Marketing; Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, Management, Marketing, and Psychology; MBA’s with concentrations in General Business, and Human Resources Mgmt; Master’s in Education in Curriculum & Instruction, and Education Administration; and a Master of Science in Management and Psychology. The school is DETC accredited, a widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

[brandon]

Respectfully, you are incorrect. I would hate for anyone to be misled by this. A Calcoast degree is no less useful than an RA degree from an obscure RA institution IF you do not need a job requiring a degree and are just getting it for the general purpose of saying *I have a bachelors degree* at cocktail parties and to impress friends and coworkers at a fast food restaurant.

No, i still disagree. It seems in observations most jobs that require RA degrees tend to accept Cal Coast at least relative to the response one would get from having an RA degree from a place called "Athabasca University" or the "University of South Africa". One who denies employment is likely to be against DL period and would not necessarily distinguish between NA state approved and RA Degrees. If there are humans involved in the process i doubt it makes a difference. If it is all done through machines than the RA has the advantage in an automated acceptance.

[brandon]

That is the funniest statement I have heard all month. CCU will never become RA.

Well, Cal Pacific does have a certain appeal to it, and if cal coast does not become RA so what. They'll always be better than those
obscure RA schools.

[Veteran101]

California Coast University
Application Fee: $100.00
Bachelor Cost $3,575.00

The Single Tuition Fee:
Tuition at California Coast Univerisity is not based on a cost per unit of credit.
Tuition consist of only one fee, which covers the entire Degree Program. Fees listed are total fees, and there will be no additional fees or charges for admittance, instruction, examinations or award of a Degree.
"TEXTBOOKS ARE "NOT" INCLUDED IN TUITION FEES"

Question: What are the book fees? Now that can become quite dicey!

Other items Cal Coast is a member of the following Professional and Academic Affiliations:
National Commission of Co-operative Education
Council for the Advancement of Experiential Learning
Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education
Assoc. for Continuing Higher Education
Amer. Assoc. for School Personnel Administrators
National Business Education Assoc.
Assoc. for Employment in Education

Other Listings for Cal Coast:
California Private Post Secondary Directory
Guide to California Colleges and Universities
California Post Secondary Education Commission
Patterson's Guide to American Education
BEAR'S GUIDE TO NONTRADITIONAL COLLEGE DEGREES. Hmmm!

Information taken from the 2001-2002 Bulletin of California Coast University.

What is the opinion of the above?

Dr. Bear, I hope my spelling and grammer is to your satisfaction on this response.

	California Coast University California Coast University CCU offers the following online degrees: Associate’s Degrees in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, and Marketing; Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration, Criminal Justice, Healthcare Administration, Management, Marketing, and Psychology; MBA’s with concentrations in General Business, and Human Resources Mgmt; Master’s in Education in Curriculum & Instruction, and Education Administration; and a Master of Science in Management and Psychology. The school is DETC accredited, a widely recognized accreditation. Click Here to receive FREE information on this school. [/center]

Originally posted by brandon
No, i still disagree. It seems in observations most jobs that require RA degrees tend to accept Cal Coast at least relative to the response one would get from having an RA degree from a place called "Athabasca University" or the "University of South Africa". One who denies employment is likely to be against DL period and would not necessarily distinguish between NA state approved and RA Degrees. If there are humans involved in the process i doubt it makes a difference. If it is all done through machines than the RA has the advantage in an automated acceptance.

Two of the organizations I have worked for are very large and where a degree is required they will *****NOT***** accept unaccredited degrees for any position requiring one. They do accept RA & nationally accredited degrees.

I still wonder whether you are just pulling peoples legs.

North

[brandon]

Question: What are the book fees? Now that can become quite dicey!

The books are $20 each to rent for 90 days as Randell has stated.