Kennedy-Western University

[silky]

Can anyone give me some information about Kennedy Western University. They are licensed out of Cheyenne Wyoming, campus in California? Are they accredited? basically is their degree worth anything?

[Tom Head]

Originally posted by silky:
Can anyone give me some information about Kennedy Western University. They are licensed out of Cheyenne Wyoming, campus in California? Are they accredited? basically is their degree worth anything?

Well, I'd trade it for an espresso at Starbuck's...but only a single espresso.

What sort of program are you looking for? Maybe we can suggest something a little more useful.


Peace,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[silky]

Originally posted by Tom Head:
Well, I'd trade it for an espresso at Starbuck's...but only a single espresso.

What sort of program are you looking for? Maybe we can suggest something a little more useful.

I am looking to complete my bachelors degree in accounting. Have over 20 year experience in the field, some college. I own my own business, so going back to school is not an option, I will have to do it with my computer or correspondence courses.
Peace,

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[Tom Head]

silky --

Sorry for not quoting your post, but it didn't come through right in my reply, for some reason.

Kennedy-Western does not hold any sort of recognized accreditation; subsequently, the bachelor's degree it offers will probably not be worth very much. You would be much better off doing a regionally accredited bachelor's degree.

The good news: There are heaps of regionally accredited options that require no on-campus residency. Here are the cheapest/most flexible three I've found so far: Charter Oak State College, Excelsior College, and Thomas Edison State College.

Good luck!


Peace,

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Tom Head
www.tomhead.net

[John Bear]

K-WU has been much discussed in this forum. A search should locate the comments, along with a link to the quite negative article on them in the Chronicle of Higher Education a couple of months ago.

[richardmgreen]

Dr. Bear,
I just got your book on distance learning and you don't list K-W as a diploma mill. If their not a good school for a PHd (I'm trying to further my degrees in Management), who is?

[John Bear]

No, Mr. Green, I do not list them as a degree mill. They operate legally from Wyoming, even tho run from Calif.

My book comes equipped with a subject index. Any of the schools listed there meet generally accepted accreditation standards; in my opinion -- except MIGS, which appeared to when we put them in, but new info suggests they do not.


John Bear
Roqueredonde, France

[Kristin Evenson Hirst]

Originally posted by silky
I am looking to complete my bachelors degree in accounting. Have over 20 year experience in the field, some college. I own my own business, so going back to school is not an option, I will have to do it with my computer or correspondence courses.

Actually, taking correspondence or online courses is going back to school -- just not back to the classroom. You can complete courses at a distance, whether online or correspondence, and you can also get credit through assessment of prior learning.

You might want to check out Excelsior College; it offers a Bachelor of Science in Accounting and a variety of ways to assess credit -- see http://www.excelsior.edu/ec_howit.htm

[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by richardmgreen
Dr. Bear,
I just got your book on distance learning and you don't list K-W as a diploma mill. If their not a good school for a PHd (I'm trying to further my degrees in Management), who is?

It is a great book that I highly recommend. You need to read the parts of the book that discuss accreditation/GAAP especially before you decide to go with a school in one of the unaccredited school chapters. Many (most?) schools in those chapters are frequently called degree mills even though they aren't in the degree mill chapter of the book.

[richardmgreen]

I'm not sure that K-W wouldn't get me what I want. Basically, it'd be what I make of it which means I'd push myself as hard as I did at BU.
I'm looking to do consulting anyway and work for myself so my degrees source would be of less importance than what I learned in addition to my graduate studies.
K-W offers a degree that would cost between 5.5K and 6.5K
and would take between a year and a year and a half to complete. Is there a good school that offers this time frame and cost?

[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by richardmgreen
I'm not sure that K-W wouldn't get me what I want. Basically, it'd be what I make of it which means I'd push myself as hard as I did at BU.
I'm looking to do consulting anyway and work for myself so my degrees source would be of less importance than what I learned in addition to my graduate studies.
K-W offers a degree that would cost between 5.5K and 6.5K
and would take between a year and a year and a half to complete. Is there a good school that offers this time frame and cost?

Another problem with unaccredited degrees in general is that the schools are likely to go out of business. When they do go out of business then their degrees can no longer be validated/verified.

Personally I would not be positively impressed by a consultant touting a K-W degree.

[richardmgreen]

So who's a good school for what I want to do.

[Ian Anderson]

Originally posted by Bill Huffman




Personally I would not be positively impressed by a consultant touting a K-W degree.

I agree with Bill. I would be impressed by someone with a degree from Boston University (if that is what BU means).

A point for degree holders to bear in mind is that resumes are often the first thing a recruiter sees and it has to make a good impression or it gets filed in the circular file. A RA degree from a "lower status" school is enhanced if the degree holder has additional (but non-degree) professional qualifications such as CA, PE, FRAeS, or memberships in a professional societies (in my case AF-AIAA).

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[Kristin Evenson Hirst]

Originally posted by richardmgreen
So who's a good school for what I want to do.

You might want to look for consultants who are doing the sort of work you'd like to do, and look at their qualifications. Some seem to be doing well with master's level degrees.

Or look at the advice given on how to find good consultants and see how you can meet it. Example:

Six Simple Steps to Finding a GREAT Business Consultant!
http://www.spconsultants.org/articles/sixsteps.htm
No mention of degrees at all; much about finding out what the consultant has done for other clients.

How to Choose a Consultant: A Resource for Your Community or Organization
http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/...cts/98-053.htm

You've got a master's degree, right? Probably establishing a track record is more important than an additional degree at this point.

[RJT]

The validity in a degree is it's general acceptance by employers. Look who may employers respect the K-W Degree:

http://vsu.kw.edu/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001091.html

Kennedy is a legally operating, state liscenced post secondary eduactional insitution, and is regulated by the WY DoE and meets the stanards pusuant to the act WS 21-2-401.

The federal government has conferred eaqually upon states, or approved accrediting agencies, the authority to grant degrees. The value of a degree is left up to the interpretation of the employer.

Thanks,

RJT

[Rich Douglas]

Originally posted by RJT
The validity in a degree is it's general acceptance by employers. Look who may employers respect the K-W Degree:

http://vsu.kw.edu/ubb/Forum5/HTML/001091.html

Answered before. That list is provided by a VERY interested party. No distinction is made between those employers who love K-WU (I've never heard of any) and those whose employees have pushed through tuition reimbursement requests. RJT repeats this crap all the time; it doesn't gain any more validity in its repitition.

Kennedy is a legally operating, state liscenced post secondary eduactional insitution, and is regulated by the WY DoE and meets the stanards pusuant to the act WS 21-2-401.

Right. And it is this sorry-assed set of "stanards" that makes the degree wholly inferior.

The federal government has conferred eaqually upon states, or approved accrediting agencies, the authority to grant degrees. The value of a degree is left up to the interpretation of the employer.

Again, RJT repeats this faslehood. The federal government did NOT confer such authority. The states are entitled to all rights not reserved by the federal government or granted to the people. This has been pointed out several times when you've trotted out this old saw.

The federal government has granted NO authority to the accrediting agencies. It maintains a list of approved accreditors for the purpose of determining eligibility for federal financial aid.

Like many industries, higher education is largely self-regulating. The state government doesn't tell my business how to operate--while it imposes some restrictions, like fire codes. Some states are more stringent than that regarding higher education. Wyoming isn't among them.

Please note that when KW-U lost its California approval, it sought out one, then another, state that had absolutely no interest in regulating unaccredited schools. Gee, why didn't KW-U, the Harvard of the West, get licensed in, say New York? I think we know.

Garbage in, garbage out.


Thanks,

RJT [/b]

You're welcome.

[Bill Huffman]

Originally posted by RJT
The federal government has conferred eaqually upon states, or approved accrediting agencies, the authority to grant degrees

Amendment X to the USA Constitution reads.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. "

What this means, Roberta, is that you've lied once again. You've been told this many times. The federal government didn't confer degree granting authority to the states. Since the constitution doesn't specifically address the power to grant educational degrees, it is a state power. It is a state power and always has been a state power. Also the accrediting agencies have nothing to do with degree granting authority.

Thanks for showing once again what we can expect from a K-W graduate.